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 Tuesday, May 27, 2008
On Handling Criticism and Critique Groups
Posted by Robert
Over the weekend, I was asked by a poet for tips on how to handle criticism as he tried thinking out whether he should join a writing critique group. With his work, he was afraid of a few things:
- He wouldn't be able to handle the critiques. That is, he was afraid too much negativity would lead him to give up writing.
- He wouldn't find the right readers to give critiques. He'd written a massive blank verse poem, and he's afraid the wrong group won't appreciate his words.
- He won't appreciate the written words of his peers. He seemed to have a particular view of other contemporary writers--thinking much of today's writing is kinda like spam.
Now, I'm not going to get into a debate of his stance on contemporary poetry, which I personally think has very good vital signs. However, as a former participant of several online critique groups and a student that logged more than 60 credit hours in writing courses at the University of Cincinnati, I will speak a little on the value of critique groups.
So there, I've already tipped my hand: I think critique groups are valuable, even if you don't agree with the critiques. And here's why:
First, the only way to gauge if something is actually working for your readers is to solicit feedback. Sure, you know what you're trying to do, but you don't know if anyone else is picking up on it unless you hear it from your readers. After all, you can't go around explaining your intentions to every reader--unless you actually want a very small audience.
Second, bad feedback is still valuable, because it forces you to look hard at your work and try to justify exactly why a particular line or image is fine as it is. And you need to be honest with yourself. If you can't honestly defend your work, then you may have an area that needs revision.
Third, there's nothing better than good feedback. After taking in all the praise though, be sure to develop a certain sense of paranoia. Is everything really okay? Can I change a line here or there? I've found that when I receive absolutely no negative feedback that I'm usually more self-critical of my work. After all, there's no such thing as a perfect poem.
Fourth, critique groups give you the ability to talk out problems you're having. If you know something's not working, you can ask the group to pay attention to x or y and give specific feedback.
Fifth, critique groups provide camaraderie with other poets. And that's often hard to do, especially if you don't live in a major city--but even there, poets are a bit hermetic and love to fly solo.
So there are some reasons why critique groups--as well as workshops, conferences and creative writing programs--are a good thing (in my opinion).
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As far as handling the criticism, as mentioned above, you should always be prepared to defend and scrutinize your work. It's a crazy tightrope act, but one that poets need to perform to get the most out of their lines.
Personally, I always bring a new poem to my critique group hoping for the best and expecting the worst. Usually, I find my words are somewhere in the middle.
Currently, I'm not a part of a critique group, but I still have some trusted readers for poems that I feel are close to getting where I want them to be. These are the readers I trust to let me know if my writing is hitting the mark or falling short. I know they'll let me know, because we've built up a level of trust over the years--both in giving and receiving criticism. Hopefully, if you haven't already, you will be able to find such a group of trusted readers.
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:44:53 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
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 Monday, February 11, 2008
Are You Planning Ahead for a Big Hit in Poetry?
Posted by Robert
I received a couple questions over the weekend as part of my Writer's Market thing I do. And I thought they both would work well as things to ponder here. In fact, I'm opening myself up to poetry specific questions at my work email (robert.brewer@fwpubs.com) if you put "Poetic Asides Poetry Question" in your subject line AND if you refrain from asking me to critique your poetry (while I'd be honored, I just don't have the time to critique everyone's work).
If I get enough good questions, I'll try and answer some here from time to time.
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Question 1 had to do with planning ahead. The writer was ashamed she didn't know where to start with writing and getting published. This is a common problem, and the answer is very simple: Start by writing and not worrying about the other stuff.
Too many writers, including poets, worry about making money and finding fame before they've actually finished their manuscripts. Don't trouble yourself over all the riches and awards your writing is sure to earn you. Just write and enjoy the writing process.
As you're writing, you can (and should) read as many literary journals as you can. This is where you will be trying to place your poetry, so you should be studying these journals to have a good idea which journals match up well with what you're writing.
After you've got a lot of great material, read up on the do's and don't's of submitting your poetry. Then, read the specific guidelines of where you're submitting. As soon as you pull the trigger on submitting, don't wait around for a response: Get your butt back in your chair and craft some more poems.
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Tied to that 1st question I received this email (name omitted for privacy): "I am a very accomplished author and writer and I have written eleven poetry books to date now in a series. But I cannot seem to be able to land a good agent to represent me with my poetry books. They keep saying that they don't do poetry. I know that there is a big market for good poetry books. My newest two-book set of 600 poems is going to be a hit. Please help!"
Okay, so that's not really a question. It's a call for help.
The problem here is that this "very accomplished author" has an unrealistic view of the poetry market. Most bookstores reserve very little room for poetry. And then, the space in that rare shelf space is dominated by "the classics" and major award winning poets. So, there's usually no room for "good poetry books" by other poets--whether they are accomplished or not (in non-poetry fields).
Poetry is not a "get rich quick" method of writing. And literary agents are usually going to have no interest in representing poetry, because agents make 10-15% of what their authors make. And no agent is interested in working for 15% of 2 free contributor copies or even $50 (for those poets who do hit it big).
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So the message of this post (I really should try to have a message, shouldn't I?) is that you shouldn't get caught up in wondering what's going to happen to your poetry after you write it; you should just write it.
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Monday, February 11, 2008 8:17:10 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
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 Wednesday, October 03, 2007
Does Self-Publishing Wreck Poetry Careers?
Posted by Robert
Received this question via e-mail from poet Liesl Garner:
"Last year I performed a poetry show at our local Fringe Festival. I got wonderful reviews, and I am performing a Repeat Performance in October of this year. The Fringe Festival is every Spring, and I plan to participate each year. After my first show, I was asked if I had my poetry printed in a chapbook for sale. I didn't, but for the Repeat Performance I want to have that available for audience members. I'm actually thinking of doing a chapbook for each year's performance. Is it bad for my hopes and dreams of someday becoming a published poet to be doing my own publishing of chapbooks?
"Currently, I just don't have the time to be submitting with the numbers I would have to in order to get noticed by a publisher. However, on my local scene, I have a large fan base that wants to see my work in print.
"Thanks, Liesl Garner"
Before I get into my ramble, you should probably read Nancy's Published Is Published post about what self-publishing will do to those poems that are self-published in the eyes of editors. Then, come back here to read what I have to say.
(Tapping on desk as Liesl reads Nancy's post. Ba-ba-ba. Humming to self.)
Back?
Okay then.
So you now know that self-publishing any of your poems will have editors considering those specific poems already published, right? That doesn't mean your career is over, it just means these specific poems are now only available as reprints. This fact can hurt when submitting to poetry journals and magazines or even chapbook contests. But the publication of some of your poems does not affect what you do with other poems that are not self-published.
If you decide that for the current crop of poems you wish to self-publish that it is okay if they risk being only available in your self-published chapbook format, then you should go for it. More and more poets are doing this. However, if you wish to see any of these specific poems in some journal or future chapbook competition winning collection, you may not want to include in your self-publishing effort.
As far as actually self-publishing, I advise you to either go with a local printer that you can work with directly--or there are some online POD companies that allow you to print and publish only one book at a time, which dramatically lowers the investment you have to make in your self-publishing venture. I'm sure some very nice poets (hint, hint) could even give suggestions in the blog comments below. Even if not, that's why God created Google; just type "POD Publishers" into Google, and you will receive plenty of online resources of how and who to proceed with.
On another note, there's no shame in self-publishing. Through the ages, poets have been especially prone to self-publication. And that trend only seems to be expanding even more with online and POD technologies now available to poets.
Just remember: Self-publishing does equal publishing. So those specific poems that are self-published could pay the price with publishers in the short term. Of course, most poets would agree that you're not risking much financially by self-publishing over traditional publication. For many, the main goal is to just reach an engaged audience.
Best,
Robert
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Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:57:40 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
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 Monday, August 27, 2007
How to list in POET'S MARKET
Posted by Nancy
If you or anyone you know has a journal (print or online), press, contest, festival, conference/workshop, or organization you'd like to appear in the 2009 edition of Poet's Market (which comes out in August 2008), it's simply a matter of submitting the appropriate questionnaire for consideration. (This is for NEW listings or listings that haven't appeared in recent editions of the book.)
There are two procedures you can follow:
Method 1) Save the questionnaire to your hard drive. Fill out the questionnaire on the computer (don't worry about formatting--this is a simple Word document and the format alters easily; clarity and accuracy count most). Then either e-mail as a Word attachment, or print out and send the hard copy c/o Poet's Market at the address at the top of the questionnaire. (You are also welcome to fax your response to the number at the top of the questionnaire.)
Method 2) Print the questionnaire from the website link and fill out your best way (by hand in dark ink or on typewriter, although the latter could be a challenge). Mail or fax according to info at the top of the questionnaire (or e-mail a scan, if you wish). PLEASE: If you fill out by hand, make your writing as clear as possible; this is doubly important if you fax your response.
Once we have your completed questionnaire, a listing will be written up according to our standard template. You'll receive an e-mailed verification copy to review/correct sometime mid-winter. 2009 Poet's Market will be closed to new listings by February 15, 2008.
Please pass the link to this post on to any editor, publisher, contest coordinator, etc., who might be interested in listing in the 2009 edition of Poet's Market (again, this is for NEW listings or listings that haven't appeared in recent editions of the book). Thanks for your support!
2009 Poet's Market listing questionnaires:
Magazines/Journals questionnaire
Contests & Awards questionnaire
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Monday, August 27, 2007 3:46:24 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
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 Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Published is Published!
Posted by Nancy
A couple of weeks ago I participated in an editor's panel at the National Federation of State Poetry Societies Convention in Oklahoma City. My fellow panelists were Madelyn Eastlund (former NFSPS president and editor of Harp-Strings Poetry Journal) and Sandra Soli (a very experienced poetry editor and widely published poet). The three of us looked as if we were auditioning for a community theatre production of Evita, our arms waving wildly as our voices rose addressing one publishing point or another.
The discussion became most lively when the topic of "What is published?" came up. We each took a turn explaining that ANY poem that is offered for public consumption, whether on the printed page, on the Internet, or in an open reading, is basically "published." The exception is a private forum where the poet needs a password to participate in a discussion and to read what's posted. Poems posted in such forums are not considered published. However, if the forum can be read by anyone accessing the Internet, then the poem is considered published.
"Published is published!" Sandy exclaimed. And still the questions came.
"But what if I print a poem in my church bulletin?"
"What if my poem appears in my club's quarterly journal?"
"What if I read my poem on a radio program?"
"Published is published!" Sandy and Madelyn shouted over and over again.
I mention this because 1) it's a really important point all poets need to keep in mind; and, 2) it's a point I need to address as it relates to comments on this blog.
Please be aware that if you post a poem in the comments here, it is now published. It's not a legitimate publishing credit that you can use; however, where the poem is concerned, you've just blown its "unpublished" status. That means you can't submit it to journals that don't consider published material, and you can't submit it to contests for unpublished poetry only.
So, please don't post your poetry in the comments section unless you know what you're sacrificing by doing so. It doesn't matter whether you print a copyright notice or not--if the poem appears in the comments, it's published. Published is published!
(As an added note, let me say that when I've judged contests recently that were for unpublished poetry only, I did Google key lines from the poems I'd selected as winners to make sure they didn't already appear on the Web. In a couple of cases, I had to disqualify poems I'd deemed for serious prize consideration because they violated the "unpublished" criteria. What's more, taking down a post--or a blog entry, for that matter--accomplishes nothing. Once something is on the Internet, it's on there forever. Ever see the stuff that Google has cached that doesn't appear on the actual website when you do a search? It's not nice to fool Mother Nature, but it's just about IMPOSSIBLE to fool the Internet!)
--Nancy
UPDATE: Reb Livingston at Home-Schooled By a Cackling Jackel has a spirited discussion going on at her blog about this topic. Definitely take a look (and be sure to click through on her links to "My Stance" and related responses). I stand by the above opinion as basic need-to-know information, especially if you're new to publishing. But there are some important issues related to the published vs. unpublished topic that concerned poets should examine as well.
UPDATE 2: This post provides further discussion of the "is reading my poetry in public the same as publishing" question that came up during Q&A at the NFSPS panel. Advice | Poetry Publishing | Q&A
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:24:13 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
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