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          <p>
Over the weekend, I was asked by a poet for tips on how to handle criticism as he
tried thinking out whether he should join a writing critique group. With his work,
he was afraid of a few things:
</p>
          <ol>
            <li>
He wouldn't be able to handle the critiques. That is, he was afraid too much negativity
would lead him to give up writing.</li>
            <li>
He wouldn't find the right readers to give critiques. He'd written a massive blank
verse poem, and he's afraid the wrong group won't appreciate his words.</li>
            <li>
He won't appreciate the written words of his peers. He seemed to have a particular
view of other contemporary writers--thinking much of today's writing is kinda like
spam.</li>
          </ol>
          <p>
Now, I'm not going to get into a debate of his stance on contemporary poetry, which
I personally think has very good vital signs. However, as a former participant of
several online critique groups and a student that logged more than 60 credit hours
in writing courses at the University of Cincinnati, I will speak a little on the value
of critique groups.
</p>
          <p>
So there, I've already tipped my hand: I think critique groups are valuable, even
if you don't agree with the critiques. And here's why:
</p>
          <p>
First, the only way to gauge if something is actually working for your readers is
to solicit feedback. Sure, you know what you're trying to do, but you don't know if
anyone else is picking up on it unless you hear it from your readers. After all, you
can't go around explaining your intentions to every reader--unless you actually want
a very small audience.
</p>
          <p>
Second, bad feedback is still valuable, because it forces you to look hard at your
work and try to justify exactly why a particular line or image is fine as it is. And
you need to be honest with yourself. If you can't honestly defend your work, then
you may have an area that needs revision.
</p>
          <p>
Third, there's nothing better than good feedback. After taking in all the praise though,
be sure to develop a certain sense of paranoia. Is everything really okay? Can I change
a line here or there? I've found that when I receive absolutely no negative feedback
that I'm usually more self-critical of my work. After all, there's no such thing as
a perfect poem.
</p>
          <p>
Fourth, critique groups give you the ability to talk out problems you're having. If
you know something's not working, you can ask the group to pay attention to <em>x</em> or <em>y </em>and
give specific feedback.
</p>
          <p>
Fifth, critique groups provide camaraderie with other poets. And that's often hard
to do, especially if you don't live in a major city--but even there, poets are a bit
hermetic and love to fly solo.
</p>
          <p>
So there are some reasons why critique groups--as well as workshops, conferences
and creative writing programs--are a good thing (in my opinion).
</p>
          <p>
*****
</p>
          <p>
As far as handling the criticism, as mentioned above, you should always be prepared
to defend and scrutinize your work. It's a crazy tightrope act, but one that
poets need to perform to get the most out of their lines.
</p>
          <p>
Personally, I always bring a new poem to my critique group hoping for the
best and expecting the worst. Usually, I find my words are somewhere in the middle.
</p>
          <p>
Currently, I'm not a part of a critique group, but I still have some trusted
readers for poems that I feel are close to getting where I want them to be. These
are the readers I trust to let me know if my writing is hitting the mark or falling
short. I know they'll let me know, because we've built up a level of trust
over the years--both in giving and receiving criticism. Hopefully, if you haven't
already, you will be able to find such a group of trusted readers.
</p>
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      <title>On Handling Criticism and Critique Groups</title>
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&lt;p&gt;
Over the weekend, I was asked by a poet for tips on how to handle criticism as he
tried thinking out whether he should join a writing critique group. With his work,
he was afraid of a few things:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
He wouldn't be able to handle the critiques. That is, he was afraid too much negativity
would lead him to give up writing.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
He wouldn't find the right readers to give critiques. He'd written a massive blank
verse poem, and he's afraid the wrong group won't appreciate his words.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
He won't appreciate the written words of his peers. He seemed to have a particular
view of other contemporary writers--thinking much of today's writing is kinda like
spam.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now, I'm not going to get into a debate of his stance on contemporary poetry, which
I personally think has very good vital signs. However, as a former participant of
several online critique groups and a student that logged more than 60 credit hours
in writing courses at the University of Cincinnati, I will speak a little on the value
of critique groups.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So there, I've already tipped my hand: I think critique groups are valuable, even
if you don't agree with the critiques. And here's why:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
First, the only way to gauge if something is actually working for your readers is
to solicit feedback. Sure, you know what you're trying to do, but you don't know if
anyone else is picking up on it unless you hear it from your readers. After all, you
can't go around explaining your intentions to every reader--unless you actually want
a very small audience.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Second, bad feedback is still valuable, because it forces you to look hard at your
work and try to justify exactly why a particular line or image is fine as it is. And
you need to be honest with yourself. If you can't honestly defend your work, then
you may have an area that needs revision.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Third, there's nothing better than good feedback. After taking in all the praise though,
be sure to develop a certain sense of paranoia. Is everything really okay? Can I change
a line here or there? I've found that when I receive absolutely no negative feedback
that I'm usually more self-critical of my work. After all, there's no such thing as
a perfect poem.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fourth, critique groups give you the ability to talk out problems you're having. If
you know something's not working, you can ask the group to pay attention to &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;y &lt;/em&gt;and
give specific feedback.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fifth, critique groups provide camaraderie with other poets. And that's often hard
to do, especially if you don't live in a major city--but even there, poets are a bit
hermetic and love to fly solo.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So there are some reasons why critique groups--as well as&amp;nbsp;workshops, conferences
and creative writing programs--are a good thing (in my opinion).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
*****
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As far as handling the criticism, as mentioned above, you should always be prepared
to defend and&amp;nbsp;scrutinize your work. It's a crazy tightrope act, but one that
poets need to perform to&amp;nbsp;get the most out of their lines.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Personally, I always&amp;nbsp;bring a new poem to my critique group&amp;nbsp;hoping for the
best and expecting the worst.&amp;nbsp;Usually, I find my words are somewhere in the middle.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Currently, I'm not a part of a&amp;nbsp;critique group, but I still have some trusted
readers for poems that I feel are close to getting where I want them to be.&amp;nbsp;These
are the readers I trust to let me know if my writing is hitting the mark or falling
short. I know they'll&amp;nbsp;let me&amp;nbsp;know, because we've built up a level of trust
over the years--both in giving and receiving criticism. Hopefully,&amp;nbsp;if you haven't
already, you will be able to find such a group of trusted readers.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
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          <p>
I received a couple questions over the weekend as part of my <em>Writer's Market</em> thing
I do. And I thought they both would work well as things to ponder here. In fact, I'm
opening myself up to poetry specific questions at my work email (<a href="mailto:robert.brewer@fwpubs.com">robert.brewer@fwpubs.com</a>)
if you put "Poetic Asides Poetry Question" in your subject line AND if you refrain
from asking me to critique your poetry (while I'd be honored, I just don't have the
time to critique everyone's work).
</p>
          <p>
If I get enough good questions, I'll try and answer some here from time to time.
</p>
          <p>
*****
</p>
          <p>
Question 1 had to do with planning ahead. The writer was ashamed she didn't know where
to start with writing and getting published. This is a common problem, and the answer
is very simple: Start by writing and not worrying about the other stuff.
</p>
          <p>
Too many writers, including poets, worry about making money and finding fame before
they've actually finished their manuscripts. Don't trouble yourself over all the riches
and awards your writing is sure to earn you. Just write and enjoy the writing process.
</p>
          <p>
As you're writing, you can (and should) read as many literary journals as you can.
This is where you will be trying to place your poetry, so you should be studying these
journals to have a good idea which journals match up well with what you're writing.
</p>
          <p>
After you've got a lot of great material, read up on the do's and don't's of submitting
your poetry. Then, read the specific guidelines of where you're submitting. As soon
as you pull the trigger on submitting, don't wait around for a response: Get your
butt back in your chair and craft some more poems.
</p>
          <p>
*****
</p>
          <p>
Tied to that 1st question I received this email (name omitted for privacy): "I am
a very accomplished author and writer and I have written eleven poetry books to date
now in a series. But I cannot seem to be able to land a good agent to represent me
with my poetry books. They keep saying that they don't do poetry. I know that there
is a big market for good poetry books. My newest two-book set of 600 poems is going
to be a hit. Please help!"
</p>
          <p>
Okay, so that's not really a question. It's a call for help.
</p>
          <p>
The problem here is that this "very accomplished author" has an unrealistic view of
the poetry market. Most bookstores reserve very little room for poetry. And then,
the space in that rare shelf space is dominated by "the classics" and major award
winning poets. So, there's usually no room for "good poetry books" by other poets--whether
they are accomplished or not (in non-poetry fields).
</p>
          <p>
Poetry is not a "get rich quick" method of writing. And literary agents are usually
going to have no interest in representing poetry, because agents make 10-15% of what
their authors make. And no agent is interested in working for 15% of 2 free contributor
copies or even $50 (for those poets who do hit it big).
</p>
          <p>
*****
</p>
          <p>
So the message of this post (I really should try to have a message, shouldn't I?)
is that you shouldn't get caught up in wondering what's going to happen to your poetry
after you write it; you should just write it.
</p>
          <p>
 
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&lt;p&gt;
I received a couple questions over the weekend as part of my &lt;em&gt;Writer's Market&lt;/em&gt; thing
I do. And I thought they both would work well as things to ponder here. In fact, I'm
opening myself up to poetry specific questions at my work email (&lt;a href="mailto:robert.brewer@fwpubs.com"&gt;robert.brewer@fwpubs.com&lt;/a&gt;)
if you put "Poetic Asides Poetry Question" in your subject line AND if you refrain
from asking me to critique your poetry (while I'd be honored, I just don't have the
time to critique everyone's work).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If I get enough good questions, I'll try and answer some here from time to time.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
*****
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Question 1 had to do with planning ahead. The writer was ashamed she didn't know where
to start with writing and getting published. This is a common problem, and the answer
is very simple: Start by writing and not worrying about the other stuff.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Too many writers, including poets, worry about making money and finding fame before
they've actually finished their manuscripts. Don't trouble yourself over all the riches
and awards your writing is sure to earn you. Just write and enjoy the writing process.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As you're writing, you can (and should) read as many literary journals as you can.
This is where you will be trying to place your poetry, so you should be studying these
journals to have a good idea which journals match up well with what you're writing.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After you've got a lot of great material, read up on the do's and don't's of submitting
your poetry. Then, read the specific guidelines of where you're submitting. As soon
as you pull the trigger on submitting, don't wait around for a response: Get your
butt back in your chair and craft some more poems.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
*****
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Tied to that 1st question I received this email (name omitted for privacy): "I am
a very accomplished author and writer and I have written eleven poetry books to date
now in a series. But I cannot seem to be able to land a good agent to represent me
with my poetry books. They keep saying that they don't do poetry. I know that there
is a big market for good poetry books. My newest two-book set of 600 poems is going
to be a hit. Please help!"
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Okay, so that's not really a question. It's a call for help.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The problem here is that this "very accomplished author" has an unrealistic view of
the poetry market. Most bookstores reserve very little room for poetry. And then,
the space in that rare shelf space is dominated by "the classics" and major award
winning poets. So, there's usually no room for "good poetry books" by other poets--whether
they are accomplished or not (in non-poetry fields).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Poetry is not a "get rich quick" method of writing. And literary agents are usually
going to have no interest in representing poetry, because agents make 10-15% of what
their authors make. And no agent is interested in working for 15% of 2 free contributor
copies or even $50 (for those poets who do hit it big).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
*****
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So the message of this post (I really should try to have a message, shouldn't I?)
is that you shouldn't get caught up in wondering what's going to happen to your poetry
after you write it; you should just write it.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
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          <p>
Received this question via e-mail from poet <a href="http://www.myspace.com/wafflewednesday">Liesl
Garner</a>:
</p>
          <p>
            <em>"Last year I performed a poetry show at our local Fringe Festival. I got wonderful
reviews, and I am performing a Repeat Performance in October of this year. The Fringe
Festival is every Spring, and I plan to participate each year. After my first show,
I was asked if I had my poetry printed in a chapbook for sale. I didn't, but for the
Repeat Performance I want to have that available for audience members. I'm actually
thinking of doing a chapbook for each year's performance. Is it bad for my hopes and
dreams of someday becoming a published poet to be doing my own publishing of chapbooks?</em>
          </p>
          <p>
            <em>"Currently, I just don't have the time to be submitting with the numbers I would
have to in order to get noticed by a publisher. However, on my local scene, I have
a large fan base that wants to see my work in print.</em>
          </p>
          <p>
            <em>"Thanks, Liesl Garner"</em>
          </p>
          <p>
Before I get into my ramble, you should probably read Nancy's <a href="http://blog.writersdigest.com/poeticasides/Published+Is+Published.aspx">Published
Is Published</a> post about what self-publishing will do to those poems that are self-published
in the eyes of editors. Then, come back here to read what I have to say.
</p>
          <p>
(Tapping on desk as Liesl reads Nancy's post. Ba-ba-ba. Humming to self.)
</p>
          <p>
Back?
</p>
          <p>
Okay then.
</p>
          <p>
So you now know that self-publishing any of your poems will have editors considering
those specific poems already published, right? That doesn't mean your career is over,
it just means these specific poems are now only available as reprints. This fact can
hurt when submitting to poetry journals and magazines or even chapbook contests. But
the publication of some of your poems does not affect what you do with other poems
that are not self-published.
</p>
          <p>
If you decide that for the current crop of poems you wish to self-publish that it
is okay if they risk being only available in your self-published chapbook format,
then you should go for it. More and more poets are doing this. However, if you wish
to see any of these specific poems in some journal or future chapbook competition
winning collection, you may not want to include in your self-publishing effort.
</p>
          <p>
As far as actually self-publishing, I advise you to either go with a local printer
that you can work with directly--or there are some online POD companies that allow
you to print and publish only one book at a time, which dramatically lowers the investment
you have to make in your self-publishing venture. I'm sure some very nice poets (hint,
hint) could even give suggestions in the blog comments below. Even if not, that's
why God created Google; just type "POD Publishers" into Google, and you will receive
plenty of online resources of how and who to proceed with.
</p>
          <p>
On another note, there's no shame in self-publishing. Through the ages, poets have
been especially prone to self-publication. And that trend only seems to be expanding
even more with online and POD technologies now available to poets.
</p>
          <p>
Just remember: Self-publishing does equal publishing. So those specific poems that
are self-published could pay the price with publishers in the short term. Of course,
most poets would agree that you're not risking much financially by self-publishing
over traditional publication. For many, the main goal is to just reach an engaged
audience.
</p>
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Best,
</p>
          <p>
Robert
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&lt;p&gt;
Received this question via e-mail from poet &lt;a href="http://www.myspace.com/wafflewednesday"&gt;Liesl
Garner&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;"Last year I performed a poetry show at our local Fringe Festival. I got wonderful
reviews, and I am performing a Repeat Performance in October of this year. The Fringe
Festival is every Spring, and I plan to participate each year. After my first show,
I was asked if I had my poetry printed in a chapbook for sale. I didn't, but for the
Repeat Performance I want to have that available for audience members. I'm actually
thinking of doing a chapbook for each year's performance. Is it bad for my hopes and
dreams of someday becoming a published poet to be doing my own publishing of chapbooks?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;"Currently, I just don't have the time to be submitting with the numbers I would
have to in order to get noticed by a publisher. However, on my local scene, I have
a large fan base that wants to see my work in print.&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;"Thanks, Liesl Garner"&lt;/em&gt;
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Before I get into my ramble, you should probably read Nancy's &lt;a href="http://blog.writersdigest.com/poeticasides/Published+Is+Published.aspx"&gt;Published
Is Published&lt;/a&gt; post about what self-publishing will do to those poems that are self-published
in the eyes of editors. Then, come back here to read what I have to say.
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(Tapping on desk as Liesl reads Nancy's post. Ba-ba-ba. Humming to self.)
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Back?
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Okay then.
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So you now know that self-publishing any of your poems will have editors considering
those specific poems already published, right? That doesn't mean your career is over,
it just means these specific poems are now only available as reprints. This fact can
hurt when submitting to poetry journals and magazines or even chapbook contests. But
the publication of some of your poems does not affect what you do with other poems
that are not self-published.
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If you decide that for the current crop of poems you wish to self-publish that it
is okay if they risk being only available in your self-published chapbook format,
then you should go for it. More and more poets are doing this. However, if you wish
to see any of these specific poems in some journal or future chapbook competition
winning collection, you may not want to include in your self-publishing effort.
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As far as actually self-publishing, I advise you to either go with a local printer
that you can work with directly--or there are some online POD companies that allow
you to print and publish only one book at a time, which dramatically lowers the investment
you have to make in your self-publishing venture. I'm sure some very nice poets (hint,
hint) could even give suggestions in the blog comments below. Even if not, that's
why God created Google; just type "POD Publishers" into Google, and you will receive
plenty of online resources of how and who to proceed with.
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On another note, there's no shame in self-publishing. Through the ages, poets have
been especially prone to self-publication. And that trend only seems to be expanding
even more with online and POD technologies now available to poets.
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Just remember: Self-publishing does equal publishing. So those specific poems that
are self-published could pay the price with publishers in the short term. Of course,
most poets would agree that you're not risking much financially by self-publishing
over traditional publication. For many, the main goal is to just reach an engaged
audience.
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Best,
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Robert
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If you or anyone you know has a journal (print or online), press, contest, festival,
conference/workshop, or organization you'd like to appear in the &lt;strong&gt;2009 edition
of &lt;i&gt;Poet's Market&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (which comes out in August 2008), it's simply a matter
of submitting the appropriate questionnaire for consideration. (This is for NEW listings
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There are two procedures you can follow:
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&lt;strong&gt;Method 1)&lt;/strong&gt; Save the questionnaire to your hard drive. Fill out the
questionnaire on the computer (don't worry about formatting--this is a simple Word
document and the format alters easily; clarity and accuracy count most). Then either &lt;a href="mailto:poetsmarket@fwpubs.com"&gt;e-mail&lt;/a&gt; as
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&lt;strong&gt;Method 2)&lt;/strong&gt; Print the questionnaire from the website link and fill
out your best way (by hand in dark ink or on typewriter, although the latter could
be a challenge). Mail or fax according to info at the top of the questionnaire (or
e-mail a scan, if you wish). &lt;strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;PLEASE:
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Once we have your completed questionnaire, a listing will be written up according
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mid-winter. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;2009 Poet's Market&lt;/em&gt; will be closed to new listings by
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Please pass the link to this post on to any editor, publisher, contest coordinator,
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this is for NEW listings or listings that haven't appeared in recent editions of the
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A couple of weeks ago I participated in an editor's panel at the &lt;a href="http://www.nfsps.org"&gt;National
Federation of State Poetry Societies&lt;/a&gt; Convention in Oklahoma City. My fellow panelists
were Madelyn Eastlund (former NFSPS president and editor of &lt;em&gt;Harp-Strings Poetry
Journal&lt;/em&gt;) and Sandra Soli (a very&amp;nbsp;experienced poetry editor and widely published
poet). The three of us looked as if we were auditioning for a community theatre production
of &lt;em&gt;Evita&lt;/em&gt;, our arms waving wildly as our voices rose addressing one publishing
point or another.
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The discussion became most lively when the topic of "What is published?" came up.
We each took a turn explaining that ANY poem that is offered for public consumption,
whether on the printed page, on the Internet, or in an open reading, is basically
"published." The exception is a private forum where&amp;nbsp;the poet needs a&amp;nbsp;password
to participate in a discussion and to read what's posted. Poems posted in such forums
are not considered published. However, if the forum can be read by anyone accessing
the Internet, &lt;strong&gt;then the poem is considered published&lt;/strong&gt;.
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"Published is published!" Sandy exclaimed. And still the questions came.
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&lt;em&gt;"But what if I print a poem in my church bulletin?"&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;"What if my poem appears in my club's quarterly journal?"&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;"What if I read my poem on a radio program?"&lt;/em&gt;
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"Published is published!" Sandy and Madelyn shouted over and over again.
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I mention this because 1) it's a really important point all poets need to keep in
mind; and, 2) it's a point I need to address as it relates to comments on this blog.
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Please be aware that if you post a poem in the comments here, it is now published.
It's not a legitimate publishing credit that you can use; however, where the poem
is concerned, you've just blown its "unpublished" status. That means you can't submit
it to journals that don't consider published material, and you can't submit it to
contests for unpublished poetry only.
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So, please don't post your poetry in the comments section unless you know what you're
sacrificing by doing so. It doesn't matter whether you print a copyright notice or
not--if the poem appears in the comments, it's published. &lt;strong&gt;Published is published!&lt;/strong&gt;
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(As an added note, let me say that when I've judged contests recently that were for
unpublished poetry only, I did Google key lines from the poems I'd selected as winners
to make sure they didn't already appear on the Web. In a couple of cases, I had to
disqualify poems I'd deemed for serious prize consideration because they violated
the "unpublished" criteria. What's more, taking down a post--or a blog entry, for
that matter--accomplishes nothing. Once something is on the Internet, it's on there
forever. Ever see the stuff that Google has cached that doesn't appear on the actual
website when you do a search? It's not nice to fool Mother Nature, but it's just about
IMPOSSIBLE to fool the Internet!)
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--Nancy
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&lt;strong&gt;UPDATE:&lt;/strong&gt; Reb Livingston at &lt;a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6338489&amp;amp;postID=7494958925795838487"&gt;Home-Schooled
By a Cackling Jackel&lt;/a&gt; has a spirited discussion going on at her blog about this
topic. Definitely take a look (and be sure to click through on her links to "My Stance"
and related responses). I stand by the above opinion as basic need-to-know information,
especially if you're new to publishing. But there are some important issues related
to the published vs. unpublished topic that concerned poets should examine as well.
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&lt;strong&gt;UPDATE&amp;nbsp;2:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a href="http://blog.writersdigest.com/poeticasides/Is+Reading+In+Public+Publishing+Your+Poem.aspx"&gt;This
post&lt;/a&gt; provides further discussion of the "is reading my poetry in public the same
as publishing" question that came up during Q&amp;amp;A at the NFSPS panel. 
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